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Sir I'm curious about your knowledge of said fighting methods. I live in NYC and have seen the 52 up close. I agree that you earn you stripes. But I was wondering how much of it can you relate to other MA, say silat or fma. Just your thoughts any info that you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Sorry longhair76 these systems (methods) of fighting are closely kept. Although you don't have to go to prison to learn 52/jhr not sure about rnr. There are no dojo's open for these methods. Most times you can pick things from cats on the street, but keep in mind he may know very little about the actual fighting method. It sad to say but it's true people have caught beat downs for claiming to know 52 hand blocks, by the OG's who felt like they never earned it. And when seen up close the 52 hb there is no misreading the intent. The cat will try to hurt you. 52 hb/jhr is a skill that is not given away freely you have to be respected in that circle. So if you had a chance to slap box and up rock, then you have already sampled a small taste of jhr. And to be honest that’s more than most people will ever see unless they’re getting beat up.
When at war pray for peace

Yes I heard of this system, and I've read his article on the subject of Jhr. To be honest I don't know if he system is based on the 52 due to it being a product of Brooklyn. There are many flavors of jhr so it would depend on who show you and what prison they learned it from. The basic of it's fighting method is the same. i.e. the core fight. but I think the style by which you fight is different. take Mike Tyson fight againts Holifield. Mike knows elements of the 52 dips and bobing from side to side and locking you up on the inside. grapplers use this method alot (the tie up) on the ground when their protecting themselves in the guard. While Holifield cross arms head burried, thus this is the reason for all the head butts. is a form of Alto 52 from the ATL. I've tried to contact the guy to talk shop but his email address returned to sender. He does claim that he had to add to what he knows of jhr to make a more rounded system. Now this is where I say no. He you truely understand JHR. them you would not make commits like that. It okay if the person who shows you was limited in thier knowlegde, but to say that you have to add on to it means to me imho that he has not done his home work.
Brothers like Dennis Newsome and a few others who are public with the fact that know jhr and how deep the rabbit hole goes don't make commits like that. It's a fighting system with very long roots and it would take a lifetime to master every element thats contained within it's methods. Check out the movie rooftops it's a breakin movie about some bronx kids dancing. This will give you some idea of what I'm talking about.
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Your not annoying Longhair76. I do practice 52, but i no longer show it. I'm not sworn by a death code not too, but because of the history of JHR I have to respect the way its past on and honor those who were caged, and had to survive by any means. What we call JHR has long roots in fighting methods before and during slavery in this country USA. So it's a real skill set that you can learn but not like other martial arts. JHR is a form of Indigenous Fighting Methods. What you saw in the book and in the some of the fighting scene of the first lethal weapon was all do to Mr. Dennis Newsome who is known for knowing several fighting methods that relate to JHR.
Africa fighting arts like kickin and knockin, trippin and flipping or cutting, there is grappling but not like BJJ although some elements are very close. imo that maybe due to Capoeria angola which has many low level or ground level fighting techniques. So in some ways you are right the skill of fighting is passed on by what really works in a fight. like some of your Mixed MA guys a little this with a little that. The problem with this is if you run into a fighter with real skill you will not have an answer for his counters. Thus when JHR is passed on by a true O.G who was taught by an uncle or father from the south. or recently released from prisons upstate NY. ALT, Chicago, and on and on. Then you will see that it is more than if he does that then you do this. My suggestion to you if your really interested in learning a very good imo Indigenous Fighting Method you may want to look up a Silat or Kali school in your area Sayoc Kali, Maphilindo (sp) Capoeria, And some of your MMA schools will give you great insight to the fighting methods that can be found in every MA imo even JHR.
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GOOD Question. Capoeria is taught in NYC, But I don't have the location. It's a public school so it shouldn't be to hard to find. there are also Kali and Silat schools in the new York area. as for learning what people regard as family methods. good luck, very few people are ever taught a skill that will defeat the teacher. In other words I'll teach you everything you know, but not everything that I know. This is due imo to the Rambo mentality (I think that I can kick your a** now). Also many teachers don't like the idea of mixing their family methods with things that they have not taught you. So if you do fine aa aryan who is willing to teach you rock n roll, I'm sure he would not like to hear you talk about wanting to learn JHR. See in the prison system you need to know where you stand, and whose got your back. Cats don't go around showing each other what they've learn that might save their a** in a fight, plus any skill you learn in prison you would be wise to keep it on the low, only use it when your life depends on it. Why because there is the shank and the stealth behind. so it leaves very little to actual fighting. Now you can find plenty of tapes on line just go to google and put in what your looking for and bam tapes out the yinyang. Good luck in your search, but may I suggest that you find a home (style) that can lay the foundation for what you wish to learn instead of trying (I could be wrong about this) find out the secretes to become the ultimate warrior. training with good people is the way not from watching tapes. Also note: the highest skill in hand to hand fighting is chi striking, the ability to disrupt the flow of chi. Also known as der mak. this can knock a person out, cripple or kill. now this knowledge in the wrong hands ( somebody just trying to see if it actual will work) can lead to death not a good look. and as far as weapons go you have Budo's, Wushu's, silat and Kali systems to boot.
pick your flavor of warrior and start there. As for the technique of Jhr it's not a system that is catalog it's a method. you have learn to use your tools for real or in mock fighting not sparring. the difference is with mock fighting you have to create your opperutnities, while in sparring most people are only looking to score points.
peace. Just check the info from the link in this thread.
stickgrapple wow lots of insight and yes the poster is a white guy from brooklyn who hung out with some thugs.
Hehas seen the real deal 52 up close without getting a beatdown.